With a tricolor cockade pinned on the jackets, The Anm delegation entered Palazzo Chigi, where the meeting on the reform of justice with the premier Giorgia Meloni took place and other representatives of the government.
The president Cesare Parodi and the members of the Council of the National Association Magistrates, who have A proposal in 8 points on justice presented to the Premierhad the same tricolor symbol used last Thursday on the jackets on the occasion of the toga strike against the constitutional reform which provides for the separation of the careers of magistrates.
In the meeting, to which the vice -premier Antonio Tajani and Matteo Salvini, the Minister of Justice Carlo Nordio and the Undersecretary for the Presidency of the Mantuan Council were present, the Premier reiterated the will to move forward quickly with the reform of justice and announced the availability to open a discussion table on the ordinary laws of implementation of the reform and on the points presented by the magistrates.
“It was a not short meeting in which there was a long exchange of opinions that, I must say, did not lead to substantial changes of our positions and let alone those of the government,” explained Parodi in the end. “I believe it was not useless because we had the opportunity to explain in detail the specific, technical legal reasons, which absolutely lead us not to share this reform. We did it. And we took note with great clarity of a government will to go on without any hesitation, and no change on the point”.
“It was not a negotiation, we didn’t want it to be, it would never have been, because we have nothing to offer anything except our loyalty to the principles in which we believe. This wanted to do,” continued the president of the ANM, highlighting that the union of the togas presented the premier a proposal in eight points.
“The eight points are a constructive proposal because we want to give the impression not to be only here to criticize, but also to make an effective contribution to
Operation of justice – explained Parodi – are eight points meditated among us, shared, that touch the central aspects in what the citizens should concern, that is, a faster, more efficient, more effective justice, closer to what are the needs of the people “.
The President of the ANM said he “noticed a great interest” on eight points, “because they actually actually concern the final justice product, not this reform which, as we said several times, is not a reform of justice, but of the role of the magistrates within the system. On the intention of working for better justice through the eight points, and possibly also others, we have certainly found an opening. We can rejoice, and we hope that there will be a sequel. Discourses to make to make these points concretely, if we are involved, like lawyers, we will certainly not take back. “
“In all sincerity, I did not expect anymore and I do not consider it a failure – continued the president of the ANM – I consider it a moment of clarity for the continuation of our activity, for our desire to get to people, to make us understand. Somehow helps us because we know at least that this process is destined to go on legitimately, because it is a constitutional procedure that we respect and in which we will insert as citizens in the debate in the debate. Democratic “.
“We did not talk about temperate draw – added Parodi – I was absolutely certain that nothing would come, even for a reason for times. The reform cannot go back if the government wants to approve it in this legislature. Then obviously it cannot even make a small correction because you know that otherwise it should start again from the end of the rooms and the times are not there. Maybe it is better this way, clarity for all, respect for all, we will go on with serenity and if the reform will be approved and We will obviously be the first to apply it “.
Parodi explained that “we asked for greater respect for the magistrates, who are often accused of producing non -jurisdictional but ideological measures. I have strongly asked that this attitude can be changed. The magistrates are the first to obviously reject this logic”.
Meloni: “Warm and injured when criticisms have as its object our ideological position”
The Prime Minister “replied that politics in turn feels he is attacked in some Measure “https://gazzettadelSud.it/articoli/politica/2025/03/05/lam-a-palazzo-chigi-in- Isti-AVVIVILITI-E-FREE-QUADAN-Critic-Hanno-for-object-the-Nostra-Idiological-6dacb16e -ff83-40b3-8CC5-C331E4cc895/. ” I reiterated that the judges and magistrates can make mistakes, there is no doubt, that we accept criticism because we can make mistakes like everyone – he added – but that we are deeply disheartened and injured when these criticisms have as its object not our measures, but our ideological position that would have, according to politics, conditioned our choices “.
“The government reiterated the will to continue with determination and speed in the path of implementation of the constitutional reform, hoping for its approval quickly”, reports a note from Palazzo Chigi after the meeting.
Meloni “thanked the ANM for the observations and ideas that emerged in the debate and announced the availability to open a discussion table on the ordinary laws of implementation of the reform and on the document in eight points presented by the ANM, which concerns the administration of justice”.
Instead, this morning, in the green room of Palazzo Chigi, “the meeting between the Government and the representatives of the Union of the Italian Criminal Chambers (UCPI), chaired by the Prime Minister, Giorgia Meloni. The Undersecretary for the Prime Minister Alfredo Mantovano, the Minister of Justice Carlo Nordio, the President and the Secretary of Ucpi, Francesco Petrelli and Rinaldo Romanelli and, in video and vice -president, was present. Council and Minister of Foreign Affairs Antonio Tajani “. This is stated in the Palazzo Chigi press release at the end of the meeting, explaining that Meloni “thanked the lawyers for the great work that carry out the service of justice daily and recalled the main elements that characterize the constitutional reform to the examination of Parliament, aimed at separating the careers between judges and public ministries in order to guarantee the procedural equality between accusation and defense”.
“Government and criminal chambers – reports the note – will meet again in the future, in order to maintain a stable confrontation space aimed at modernizing the administration of justice”.
“We made a very in -depth meeting by touching all the themes concerning the constitutional reform of the separation of careerswe have evidently invited the government to move forward without hesitation on the path of this fundamental reform, which returns to citizens the right trial through the institution finally of that third judge who is written in our Constitution in Article 111 but in fact it has never been realized “. Thus iThe President of the Union of Criminal Chambers, Francesco Petrelliafter meeting Palazzo Chigi with the Premier.
“The reform it does not concern lawyers – he added – e It is certainly not punitive towards the judiciary But it concerns all citizens and a more modern justice and finally adequate for liberal democracy “.
“During the meeting we also touched themes on which there is less convergence and affecting the criminal lawyer and the union of the criminal chambers in particular, such as the question of the security package, which as we know is before the Senate: we have recommended a review of the critical points that obviously concern the violations of liberal criminal law and the contradictions of many principles of our Constitution” he added.
“We obviously also touched the tragic problem of suicides in prison and overcrowding. Obviously with the government, there was no similar confluence on these issues, but we represented all the reasons in support of our battles,” added Petrelli.
“The constitutional reform on justice aims to reach a system objective And that so far the system has not reached. Art. 111 of the Constitution tells us that ‘The right trial’ This is what takes place in the contradictory between the parties, in equal conditions, before the third and impartial judge ‘. The right trial is implemented, in the contradictory, before a judge who should not only be third, but who must also appear third. ” Premier Giorgia Melonito what is learned, during the meeting. “This is exactly what we intend to do with this reform, which provides for the separation between those who accuse and those who judge and which aims to guarantee a true procedural equality between accusation and defense”.
“The reform provides for the separation between those who accuse and those who judge and aim to guarantee true procedural equality between accusation and defense. It is a point that you have underlined on many occasions, together with the fact that The separation of careers now constitutes an unavoidable processnot only after the entry into force of the new criminal procedure code but also after the reforms Castelli and Cartabia, who have outlined a public prosecutor figure significantly different from that originally provided for in our judicial system “added Meloni.
Palazzo Chigi: ‘The stop to prison overcrowding is the goal of the government’
During the meeting, the Minister of Justice Carlo Nordio and the Undersecretary for the Prime Minister Alfredo Mantovano “recalled the measures already adopted and the actions carried out by the Government to end the overcrowding of prisons, which remains one of the objectives of the executive action”.
This was reported by the note of Palazzo Chigi at the end of the comparison.